[17]
A further interaction occurred involving the first respondent, Mr Van Rooyen and a shopsteward. The first
respondent states that, faced with this difficult situation, she spoke to her shopstward who, after speaking to Mr Van Rooyen, advised
her that she could reserve her rights and return to work. She then states that she returned to work under protest. The appellant
does not deny any of these allegations. It admits that Mr Van Rooyen told her that, if she left her work without permission, she
would face disciplinary action. The appellant states that the first respondent told Mr Van Rooyen that she intended taking the matter
further. The appellant states that the first respondent then returned to work and continued to work.
[18]
On the respondents’ version the second respondent attended at the appellants premises at about
09h45 on the 2nd May. She was called in by Mr Van Rooyen who told her that her retrenchment had been “pulled back” and she was going to
continue working. The respondents’ founding affidavit then states: “ [Second respondent] adopted the same position as we had.” As the position which the first respondent had adopted was not entirely the same as the position which the third and fourth respondents
had adopted, one does not know precisely what the position is that the second respondent must be taken to have adopted when it is
stated in the founding affidavit that she adopted the same position as the first, third and fourth respondents.
[19]
The appellant’s version with regard to the second respondent is that the second respondent together
with her father attended at the appellant’s premises on Tuesday the 2nd May 2000. Mr Van Rooyen informed both of them that the appellant was no longer proceeding with the retrenchment of the second respondent.
Mr Van Rooyen said to them that the second respondent remained in the appellant’s employment. The appellant states that Mr Van Rooyen gained the impression that both the second respondent and her father were happy with the fact
that her employment had not been terminated and that she continued in the appellant’s employment. The appellant states that
thereafter the second respondent resumed her duties and has remained in the appellant’s employment since then.
[20]
On or about 15 May 2000 there was a work-related braai. At this braai the respondents indicated to Mr
Hart, who is chairman of the appellant, that they were unhappy about the appellant’s purported withdrawal of their dismissal.
Mr Hart apparently maintained that the dismissal had been withdrawn and the respondents continued to be in the appellant’s
employment. However, he also stated that, if the respondents wanted to leave the appellant’s employ on their own, they could
do so but, in that event, they would not be entitled to severance pay or any other benefits. The respondents also pointed out to
Mr Hart that there was no work for them to do in the appellant’s workplace and that all they were doing was sitting around
and doing odd jobs like moving tables and chairs. The respondents believed that the appellant was treating them in this manner in
order to drive them into resigning from its employment so that their departure would not entail any liability on the appellant’s
part in respect of any benefits. The appellant denies that the respondents have no work to do. It states that they are all gainfully
employed by it and are performing duties which are consistent with and are required in the positions in which they are employed.
It goes on to detail the duties which they perform. This part of the matter must be decided on the basis of the appellant’s
version.
Proceedings in the Labour Court
[21]
The respondents were aggrieved by the appellant’s conduct. Accordingly, they brought an application
to the Labour Court for an order declaring that their contracts of employment had been terminated by the appellant on the 28th April 2000 due to the redundancy of their positions and/or the reorganisation undertaken by the appellant and that they were entitled
to payment of severance pay and costs in the event of opposition. The appellant opposed the application. The Labour Court found in
favour of the respondents and granted the declaratory orders sought plus costs against the appellant. With the leave of the Court
a quo, the appellant now appeals to this Court against that judgement and order.
The appeal
The Jurisdictional points
[22]
It appears that in the Court a quo the Court raised the question whether or not it had jurisdiction in
respect of this matter. The appellant had not in its answering affidavit taken the point that the Court a quo did not have jurisdiction
in the matter. However, it appears from the judgement of the Court a quo that in response to the question raised by the Court a quo
, it was argued on behalf of the appellant that the Court a quo lacked jurisdiction to deal with this matter on the basis that what
the respondents wanted was severance pay and that, in the light of sec 41(6) of the Basic Conditions of Employment Act, 1997 (“the BCEA”) the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (“CCMA”) had jurisdiction to arbitrate it and the Labour Court had no jurisdiction in respect thereof. Sec 41(6) reads:-
“If there is a dispute only about the entitlement to severance pay in terms of this section the employee may refer the dispute in writing
to -
(a)
a council if the parties to the dispute fall within the scope of that council or
(b)
the CCMA if no council has jurisdiction”.
[23]
The Court a quo held that it had jurisdiction to deal with this matter. In support of this finding it
relied on s41(10) and s77(3) of the BCEA. Sec 41(10) reads:-
“If the Labour Court is adjudicating a dispute about a dismissal based on the employer’s operational requirements, the Court
may inquire into and determine the amount of any severance pay to which the dismissed employee may be entitled and the Court may
make an order directing the employer to pay that amount.”
Sec 77(3) reads:
“(31) The Labour Court has concurrent jurisdiction with the civil courts to hear and determine any matter concerning a contract of
employment, irrespective of whether any basic condition of employment constitutes a term of that contract.”
[24]
The Court a quo rejected the appellant’s reliance on sec 41(6) for the contention that it did not
have jurisdiction in respect of the matter. It effectively held that sec 41(6) refers to a situation where the dispute is only about
the entitlement to severance pay. It found that this matter was not only about entitlement to severance pay. It said that the dispute
related to a dismissal based on the employer’s operational requirements as well.
[25]
On appeal it was argued on behalf of the appellant that the Court a quo had erred in finding that it
had jurisdiction in regard to this matter. The one basis advanced in support of this contention was that there had been no referral
to conciliation of any dispute about an alleged unfair dismissal. This argument is based on the provisions of s191(1) which are to
the effect that, if there is a dispute about the fairness of a dismissal, the dismissed employee may refer the dispute for conciliation
to a council, if the parties to the dispute fall within the registered scope of the council, or, to the CCMA if there is no such
council. I think the answer to this argument is that the dispute that sec 191(1) requires to be referred to conciliation is a dispute
about the fairness of a dismissal. In this matter there is no dispute about the fairness of a dismissal. Accordingly the appellant’s
contention in this regard falls to be rejected.
[26]
Another basis advanced in support of the contention that the Labour Court did not have jurisdiction was
that the second declaratory order sought by the respondents concerned an entitlement to severance pay which dispute, so continued
the argument, ought to have been referred to the CCMA for arbitration. The appellant did not specify any statutory provision in support
of this contention. The only statutory provision that I can think of which it could seek to rely upon is that of sec 41(6) of the
BCEA which has been quoted above. That section refers to a case where the dispute is only about “the entitlement to severance pay in terms of this section...”
[27]
Unlike the Court a quo I am not certain that it can be said that the dispute between the parties in this
matter is not a dispute only about the entitlement to severance pay. However, I do not consider it necessary to express a definitive
view on this aspect of the matter. There is another basis on which the argument can be disposed of. In my view, if the appellant
seeks to rely on sec 41(6) to contend that the Labour Court had no jurisdiction in respect of this matter, the appellant should satisfy
the Court not only that this dispute is only about the entitlement to severance pay but also that the entitlement to severance pay
is “in terms of this section” as prescribed in s41. I say this because the severance pay that sec 41(6) refers to is said to be one “in terms of this section.” It seems to me that where the severance pay that is claimed is not in terms of s41 but is in terms of a contract or the Rules of
a Pension Fund, it cannot be said that the claim is for the payment of severance pay “in terms of” sec 41.
[28]
In this matter not only did the respondents not rely on sec 41 for their claim for severance pay but,
in fact, they categorically stated in their founding affidavit that they sought severance pay and benefits in terms of the Rules
of the Telkom Pension Fund which was the second respondent in the Court a quo. They even attached to the founding affidavit copies
of certain pages of the Rules of the Pension Fund which they said contained provisions which applied to them as retrenches. Furthermore,
in the appellant’s own letter of the 8th June 2000 addressed to the respondents’ attorney there is an indication that the appellant’s understanding was also that
the respondents were seeking to claim “termination of service benefits” from the Telkom Pension Fund. In the second paragraph of that letter the appellant wrote: “We have also notified the Telkom Pension Fund administrators that only on official notification from ourselves of the termination
of any of our employee’s services should they conduct any termination of service benefits calculations and not on the request
of any of our employees or their representatives.” Dealing with its understanding of the purpose of the respondents’ application in the Court a quo the appellant had this to
say in par 4.7 of its answering affidavit:-
“The purpose of the application appears to be an attempt by the [respondents] to obtain the payment of a severance pay from the [appellant]
notwithstanding their continued on- going employment with the [appellant]. It is further apparent that the application is motivated
by an attempt by the [respondents] to obtain certain payments from the Telekom Pension Fund of which they are members, which payments
would arise if their services were terminated by the employer as defined in the rules of the Telkom Pension Fund ‘as a result
of the abolition of his post or a reorganisation of the employer’s activities.’ This may result in a liability by the
[appellant] to the Telkom Pension Fund which it could ill afford at a time when it is attempting to transform the business it acquired
into a viable entity.”
In the light of all of this I am of the opinion that the appellant has failed to show that the respondents’ claim falls within
the ambit of sec 41(6) of the BCEA. In my view that section cannot apply when it cannot be said that the dispute is about the entitlement
to severance pay in terms of that section and that it is only about severance pay.
[29]
One of the sections on which the Court a quo relied in support of its finding that it had jurisdiction
was s41(10) of the BCEA. Sec 41(10) provides that “(i)f the Labour Court is adjudicating a dispute about a dismissal based on the employer’s operational requirements, the
Court may inquire into and determine the amount of any severance pay to which the dismissed employee may be entitled and the Court
may make an order directing the employer to pay that amount.” It is noteworthy that s41(10) refers to a situation where the Labour Court is “adjudicating a dispute about a dismissal” and not to case where it is adjudicating a dispute “about the fairness of a dismissal” which is the phrase used in s191(1) of the Act. It appears to me that there is significance to be attached to the fact that in sec
41(10) the phrase used to describe the dispute is “dispute about a dismissal” and not the phrase “dispute about the fairness of a dismissal” as used in sec 191(1) of the Act. The significance is the recognition that dismissal cases which the Labour Court may adjudicate
are not confined to those where the dispute is about the fairness of a dismissal and that there are other dismissal cases which the
Labour Court may adjudicate where the fairness of the dismissal is simply not in issue. Dismissal disputes that fall under the former
category would be those contemplated in sec 191(5)(b)(ii) of the Act whereas dismissal cases that fall under the latter category
would include those dismissals where the issue is whether the dismissal complies with the requirements for the termination of a contract
of employment prescribed by s37 of the BCEA.
[30]
With regard to the latter category of dismissal disputes, the Labour Court has exclusive jurisdiction
in terms of s77(1). Sec 77(1) reads: “Subject to the C